00:14 – Introduction
Ken introduces Alec Stone, his background in policy and his leadership at NATSAP.

01:00 – What drew you to NATSAP?
Alec shares how his background in advocacy and association work led him into the therapeutic space.

02:35 – What exactly is NATSAP, and who are its members?
Alec explains accreditation, the diversity of programs, and the purpose of the organization.

04:33 – How is policy shaping therapeutic programs today?
Alec discusses challenges at the state and federal levels, public perception, and the safety net role of these programs.

08:26 – What can programs do to better advocate for themselves?
From media to messaging, Alec explains how programs are improving communication and transparency.

11:01 – How can programs work with policymakers to effect change?
Alec offers key insights into effective advocacy, credibility, and the importance of consistency.

13:02 – What kind of messaging moves the needle in mental health advocacy?
He emphasizes storytelling, simplicity, and shared experience in connecting with policymakers.

14:43 – Where do you hope the field evolves in the next 10 years?
Alec highlights accreditation, research, and stronger community engagement as the future of the field.

16:14 – What personal struggle has led you to hope?
Alec shares his reflections on setbacks, hope within the community, and the power of connection at conferences.

18:42 – Closing thanks
Ken closes the episode with gratitude for Alec's leadership and advocacy.